[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
(Hey look at this! An actual text/meta-type post! Don't faint!)

So I was having a discussion on Twitter yesterday with a guy named Travis Yanan about a new TV pilot being shot for a potential ABC series for the upcoming season, Shawn Ryan's The Last Resort. Some of you who follow my LJ have heard me talk about this one recently and how much I liked it because it really reminded me very much of the BSG mini. The premise, in a nutshell, of the show is that a US submarine gets fired upon and gets orders to nuke Pakistan in retaliation, thereby starting a world war. The admiral resists the order, which comes in a non-protocol way, and eventually the sub's crew discovers that the shots came from their own government, from another US sub, and they take dramatic measures as a last resort, eventually declaring war on their own country. 

I'm getting to the Starbuck relevance! Promise. 

Anyway, like I said, I really liked the script a lot and it reminded me of BSG in many ways, although it didn't have quite as much character development or charisma/sex appeal as BSG mini did. There are a lot of strong, capable characters (including several ladies) but for the most part they're all towing the military line. That latter bit was why Travis didn't enjoy the script so much. He didn't connect to any of the characters and he commented that they were all very "by-the-book and soldierly. Made me appreciate how important a Starbuck is." 

And I love when anyone's appreciating Starbuck.

But I also thought that was a really great point. All of the characters on BSG are pretty flawed in one way or another, but Starbuck's willingness to buck authority is a major catalyst on the show, especially in season one. Her actions really change things for our BSG peeps in dramatic ways. There'd be no Apollo, no arrow, no Kobol/path to Earth, no Helo/Sharon, no Resistance if she hadn't followed her instincts to go against orders on various occasions.  At the same time, I tend to think Starbuck can be very obedient to the officers she respects, it often coincides with her great sense of fealty/loyalty (in a duty-related way.)

I don't really have a question related to this, just thought it was a really interesting point to bring up, that a dramatic narrative needs a Starbuck often, to challenge it and to keep things interesting and dynamic. I've never seen the original show, so I'm not sure if Dirk Benedict's iteration of the character worked in that same way (or if he was just more of a drinker/womanizer than actual challenger to authority) but I'm really glad that Kara filled that role of catalyst.
[identity profile] rayruz.livejournal.com

Well, I see we have another gen ficathon coming up so I thought that a little writing-about-Kara meta would not necessarily go amiss. 

This meta is inspired by [livejournal.com profile] taragel, who said lovely things about the way I write Kara Thrace and her layers… and it got me thinking about why I’m so dedicated to writing Starbuck. I wrote a review on my blog a while ago titled “Lisbeth Salander is My Hero”… and I love Lisbeth, but the truth of the matter, my number one hero is Kara Thrace. She is an inspiration to me in so many ways (and one of the most joyous moments of my life was actually saying this to Katee Sackhoff and seeing her smile about it.)


Cut for Kara Babble )

[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
Someone on my personal flist this morning linked to a really good essay about manpain by thingswithwings. She broke down manpain as being denoted by certain qualities:

1) Imma gonna let you all finish, but my pain is he WORST PAIN OF ALL TIME, yo.
2) The Jesus Complex -- The weight of saving the world rests on my shoulders alone!
3) Woman in the Fridge alert!--She has been sacrificed to nobly give me a storyline

That's a super brief and flippant encapsulation--the entire article is well worth reading (and Dee's death is well covered in it, though surprisingly no mention of Ellen Tigh's fridging)--but it got me to thinking...

Does Starbuck have manpain?
 
I'd argue that, at first, no. But later... hmm. Well, let's take it point by point:
 
1) She has pain from her past absolutely, but she does not really dwell in it so directly as, say, Adama rolling in white paint. (LOL, Someone should vid that to Adele's Rolling in the Deep. I would be so amused.)  She acts out, but the show doesn't make a huge point of letting her brood all that much about it. 

2) Destiny blows, man. We don't really discover Kara's the one who has to save the world until after she's gone (the Razor prophecy?) so she's certainly not dwelling on it much BEFORE her death. But one could argue that Maelstrom is one big expression of the Jesus Complex coming home to roost. She commits suicide because she believes she has to do it for the greater good or to fullfill this mysterious destiny that she doesn't even know what it is!  But again, it doesn't feel indulgent to me. It's not Kara weeping or moaning about her burdens. Er, until we get to Season 4? When we have to suffer through her confusion and pain and fear because no one has a clue what she is/what she's doing? And we just keep hearing WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!!!
 
3) Zak...Well, Zak was fridged, right? To give Kara (and Lee) their epic pain that they cannot triumph over? I mean technically he's backstory and doesnt' really figure in the show except for the AOC/YCGHA arc but... not too different from the Dead Little Sister trope. Actually Dead Fiance is a pretty common trope anyway. (Hell, not only does Kara have one, but Lee kind of does too if you count Gianne). So I think this one is sort of a yes!
 
It's an interesting question for exploration. In her essay, TWW says "Generally speaking, though, most women don't fit the trope very well – which is to say, when a female character loses a family member, the camera and the show usually don't dwell on her pain in the same way." She uses Buffy and Sarah Connor as examples, and I think Kara is more frequently identified as/associated with masculinity (although that's a gendered argument in itself) than either of those characters are, but it is still true that the show doesn't exactly dwell on Kara's pain the same way. But it's hard to ignore that the later seasons of BSG took the opportunity to dump so much pain/misery onto Kara at every turn that it practically became an exercise in seeing how well Katee could cry in each episode. 

What are your thoughts? Could you argue for or against Kara having manpain? 
 
And here's a somewhat-related question: Could you argue that Kara was fridged? On [livejournal.com profile] leeadama_daily today, there's a post about Kara and Lee's relationship, and the idea is raised there that Kara's story is told from Lee's perspective. And I can easily see how that is true in a lot of episodes, most notably of course the finale. But also, what was The Son Also Rises but a tribute to Lee's (and Adama's and Sam's) manpain over Kara's death? I never really could articulate before exactly why I hate that episode, but now...yeah I think this is pretty much it. Kara's death didn't really belong to her somehow. Bill's squabble with Lee over who loved her more...is that not almost exactly the same as him coming into the morgue after Dee's death and making such an elaborate thunder-stealing show of grief? That episode was not about Kara's life, there was barely any Kara in it to be honest. 
 
Hmm... I could go on and on on this topic I have a feeling, but I curb my thoughts here and ask for yours instead! 
 
 
Bonus slightly NSFW pic of Katee! )
 
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
 

So I followed a Twitter link today to an interesting blog by Kay Reindl, a TV writer, who had some choice words about The Walking Dead writer staff firing, but I liked her writing so I kept clicking around and came across this fantastic rant  about sexism on TV and in the movies. She used a recent plot point on NBC's The Event as an example of a sexist cliche that many TV series use and that struck a note with me as being part of Kara's story on BSG sort of (and Caprica Six's too, and maybe Sharon's potentially.)

The Mommy Problem )

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