[identity profile] rachelindeed.livejournal.com
Hi guys,

I love collecting poems that remind me of my favorite characters, and I thought since there's an open space this weekend I'd like to share a few for Kara.  I'd love to hear some of your favorite quotations/poems, too, if you're around.  If not, I'll just be amusing myself over here :)

[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] frolicndetour raised an interesting point in our discussion of Kara's promotions the other day. Apparently the writers planned to make her the Pegasus commander at one point. What avenues do you think that would have lead the show down? What would her time as Commander have been like? Would she be more in the vein of Adama or Cain or her own leader entirely? What would change about canon if the only switch was that she was head of Pegasus instead of Lee (with Dee as her XO? Heh.)

ETA: Tomorrow is Friday and because of that happy reason, we will be having a Kara Love meme here! Bring yo' gifs, Bring yo' toasts, get ready to raise a glass to the incomparable Kara "Starbuck" Thrace!
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

She killed the most toasters (including engineering the plan to take down Scar), led two successful missions back to Caprica, served various stints as both flight instructor and CAG multiple times, led her own (somewhat) successful reconnaissance mission, found Earth twice....and saved their collective and individual asses... A LOT. 

And Kara Thrace only ever made it to the rank of Captain (a promotion bestowed by not even her own commander). So what's a girl got to do to get a promotion in the Colonial Fleet, eh? 

Do you think Kara should have at least made Major? Where or when should/would she have earned these pips?

Personally, I think the successful rescue of the Caprican resistance at least should have gotten her a rank bump.


[identity profile] shah-of-blah.livejournal.com

A lot of fanfiction has Kara A) refusing medication because she thinks she's fine or she doesn't need it, and B) breaking out of sickbay before she should.  Yet both of these traits seem to be directly contradicted by her behavior in "Six Degrees of Separation," in which she asks for more pain pills and refuses to get out of bed.  Do you think fanon and canon can be reconciled?  If not, which characterization do you subscribe to?  Do you think she might be more likely to make a break for it after the events of "The Farm"?
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
A Question Today:

Of all the choices that Kara makes over the course of BSG, what do you think was the hardest? What do you think was the easiest?


Apr. 20th, 2011 08:55 am
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

"I remember the first day I met you, Starbuck. You were puking your guts out in the head because you'd eaten bad oysters on…"

We know only a little about Kara and Sharon's relationship before the show begins. Clearly, they were friends, but how close? Was it more of a mentor-type relationship? Kara says she taught Sharon how to stick a landing (I think?) Did they go out on leave together to port? Dancing at Cloud 9 off shift? Tell us something about their friendship...or write some fic maybe? ;)
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

There is much allusion to Greek myths in BSG. At times Kara's story seemed akin to Artemis, the great huntress and archer, twin to Apollo. The New Caprica arc surely has a bit of Persephone myth around its edges, with her being kidnapped and imprisoned in what she'd consider hell. Which myths do you associate with Kara (if any)? These? Others?
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com


What if she did remember the six hours?
Where do you think she was?
What was she doing? 
Did she really see Earth?
Which Earth?


[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

[livejournal.com profile] mserrada wondered if Kara was a victim of Stockholm Syndrome:

I was curious about Stockholm Syndrome (mostly because I'm obsessed with the New Caprica arc) and did some research:

Wiki again: A paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages have positive feelings towards their captors that appear irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, essentially mistaking a lack of abuse from their captors as an act of kindness.

The following are viewed as the conditions necessary for Stockholm syndrome to occur:

* Hostages who develop Stockholm syndrome often view the perpetrator as giving life by simply not taking it. In this sense, the captor becomes the person in control of the captive’s basic needs for survival and the victim’s life itself.
* The hostage endures isolation from other people and has only the captor’s perspective available. Perpetrators routinely keep information about the outside world’s response to their actions from captives to keep them totally dependent.
* The hostage taker threatens to kill the victim and gives the perception of having the capability to do so. The captive judges it safer to align with the perpetrator, endure the hardship of captivity, and comply with the captor than to resist and face death.
* The captive sees the perpetrator as showing some degree of kindness. Kindness serves as the cornerstone of Stockholm syndrome; the condition will not develop unless the captor exhibits it in some form toward the hostage. However, captives often misinterpret a lack of abuse as kindness and may develop feelings of appreciation for this perceived benevolence. If the perpetrators show some kindness, victims will submerge the anger they feel in response to the terror and concentrate on the captors’ “good side” to protect themselves.

This certainly sounds like what Leoben was going for with Kara--whether intentionally or not.

Did he succeed at all?

There's a brief discussion over here about this already, but feel free to continue hashing it out here!

Idol Hands

Feb. 23rd, 2011 02:28 pm
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

[livejournal.com profile] shah_of_blah brought up Kara's statues as a possible discussion topic over here in our questions thread: 

Personally, I love that she prays to Artemis and Aphrodite but I'm curious about what other people think. I remember the first time we saw those idols, I thought that Artemis was an obvious choice but Aphrodite less so--Athena would have been an easier option given that Kara's a soldier and all that. Which is not to say that I think it should have been Athena--just the opposite! I think it's really interesting that Kara who has such a difficult relationship with love prays to Aphrodite.

What do you think?
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

Cain: Do you always get what you want?

Kara: Most of the time.

True or False?
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
So, the amazing [livejournal.com profile] amaliak made me this Kara icon after I said that I needed a "sneaky" Kara icon. (Isn't it awesome?!) But I wanted to open the floor on this subject. On the surface, you'd never expect Kara to be a control freak, right? She's insubordinate, kind of laid back (when she's not punching people out), and yet in Hand of God, we get to see how unsettled she is by not being able to fly the Tylium mission. More than just being restless and wanting to fly, she's quite nervous that the mission will not work if she's not there to lead it.

Did this surprise you about Kara when you first saw the episode? Where else in the series do we see evidence of her inner control freak asserting itself? (I think it's pretty easy to argue that in her personal relationships she prefers to be in control and have a bit more of the power in a relationship? Maybe?)


ETA: I wrote a short essay talking about why I love Kara and the challenges of writing Kara in fiction over here at [livejournal.com profile] bsg_epics  today. In case you want to check it out and jump in on the discussion. They'll be devoting different days to different characters over the next few weeks.

In the Air

Jan. 14th, 2011 08:25 am
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

How do you think Kara came to love flying? Is it something she knew immediately when she first got into a flight simulator at the Academy? Did it happen before that--was there some incident before she enlisted that made her knew she wanted to fly/be a pilot?

How about her mother? Where does she fit into the picture? Socrata was a marine sargeant. Is it surprising or expected that Kara also joined the military?

Think. Talk. Discuss amongst yourselves. Write a fic about Kara discovering the joys of flying. :)

[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

"You're fine! You are fine with the dead guys, Kara. It's the living ones you can't handle."

True or False? Discuss.

[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

It's interesting when you think back to the mini and 33 and Water, Kara's attitude towards drugs and liquor was rather clearly set as being against them when on the clock. She refused to take stims because it could frak with her flying and she had major disdain for Tigh's drinking on the job, even going so far as to bring water to his cabin and toast him with it. In S2 and S3 of course, it was another story. I always had a bit of trouble with the idea that Kara would be so unprofessional and kinda foolish to be drinking as much as she does in Scar that it makes her miss a shift (which, at least she didn't get into the cockpit). And in S3, of course she and Tigh are drinking in Collaborators and "sowing the seeds of malcontention." We see her drinking a lot in later seasons, though I assume most of it is off the clock. Kind of an interesting shift.
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

Perspective, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Kara Thrace is a pretty complex individual, and she's not much of a talker. Her motivations in BSG are often left up to the viewer to interpret as they wish because she doesn't rationalize, explain or apologize very often. Which of the latter personality traits do you ascribe, MOST OF THE TIME, to Kara? (I think a fairly good argument can be made for her having both traits at various times, as most people do, but if you were going to choose one or the other, which side does she fall more heavily to?) Explain why so we can discuss!  

1) Optimist or pessimist?
2) Self-confident or self-loathing?
3) Extrovert or introvert?
4) Are her flaws personal or professional?

Party time

Oct. 11th, 2010 09:29 am
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
Since I have birthdays on my mind today, I was thinking about how Kara would celebrate? Before the war? After the war? Do you think she's the kind of person who would make a big deal about her birthday or keep it low-key? My thoughts also turned to one of my favorite Kara's birthday fics, and there's a bit of innuendo/implication for K/L but mostly it's a gen fic about the people who love Kara doing something nice for her (which didn't happen enough in canon as far as I'm concerned), so I'm gonna rec it anyway:

It's My Party by daphnaea -- The pilots throw a birthday party for Kara. Here's my favorite lines: 

She thinks if it were any other birthday, she’d probably be getting laid right now, and technically this is the night before her birthday (the party started right after midnight, or what passes for it in space) so she’s still got plenty of hours left to find some civvie, or maybe a marine safely outside her chain of command, but she knows she isn’t going to. She doesn’t want to trade what she has right here for a random frak, because stupid and screwed up as it may be, both of the men touching her love her, they’d frakking die for her, and she kind of hates that, but she kind of needs it too.

Also, if you'd like to do something nice for Kara, won't you write a ficlet about her or her ladyfriends for the ALL THE GALACTIC LADIES Ficathon? There are a lot of fantastic prompts there just waiting to be filled by smart, nice, generous, talented people like you!! ;)
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com
I'm in a car on my way to New York Comic Con to see Katee (Eeeeee!) and the fab ladies of BSG (so no pictures today! sorry!) and I was thinking: would Kara ever go to a comics convention? Possibly to mock people, eh? In canon, Kara's recreational activities are more jock than geek--triad, working out, pyramid, drinking. On Caprica would she have played video games and watched reality TV? We saw her intense abstract paintings, but would she have also loved something like Starry Starry Night or Seraut's iconic pointilist painting? We know she loved her dad's classical music but was she also a hard rock fan? Country? Musicals? She recited and wrote poetry, but did she enjoy a good steamy romance novel now and again? Tell me about Kara Thrace's guilty pleasures!
[identity profile] callmeonetrack.livejournal.com

So The Oath is one of the first times we get any real comment from the non-leads on Kara's return/resurrection. (Wait, I am forgetting the Demetrius, but most of that distrust seemed focused on her crazy current behavior and not the fact that "Holy Crap, She Returned From the Dead!") Sharon (in a deleted scene) asks her to stay away from Helo because she believes Kara could be a cylon. And later we see in STWOM, that Kara is quite isolated in her daily life. What do you think of the reversal of her "fortune" so to speak? Were you surprised that it was touched on as little as it was or did you think they spent plenty or too much time on it? What do you think the pilots on Galactica felt about Starbuck at various points in the show? Do you think she was liked, feared, both? How about those on Pegasus? What about after her death/return? 


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