I remember when I heard this plotline was coming up (I was spoiled way before I got there on the DVDs) I thought it was brilliantly awful because it was the worst conceivable torture for Kara. She could easily withstand anything physical, but mental/brainwashing in some sensitive areas? Eek. Trapped and being forced to play the docile housewife and killing him over and over but him coming back and trying to force his love down her throat. UGH. And then even worse, the baby. That one especially because it's the way he actually manages to break her/give her a bit of Stockholm or whatever.
Where I do think it could have been more sinister is...if they cast a baby the right age to believably have been from Kara's ovary they took on NC. I'm not sure why they didn't do that. Although God knows they missed so many other logical connections they could've made in other plots/episodes too.
Hey there! I was just saying to rayruz that I like the idea of psychologically torturing Kara, I just didn't find this way of going about it particularly dramatically/emotionally effective. But I'm glad it worked for so many others -- I know a lot of people love the NC story for Kara :) And I admit I am biased because Leoben almost never works for me, so that's probably affecting my enjoyment of the story here.
Well I hated the NC arc actually, but I did think it was pretty clever. I just am not sure anything else would have been able to get to Kara in the way this did, esp. with the child. (Although one would think then that her greatest fear would be neither death nor being forgotten, but....motherhood.)
I think the reason I always dread Leoben's interaction with Kara is that it does overall feel very disingenuous to me and did ever since Flesh and Bone. It didn't make sense to me that Kara would let a cylon whose goal she knows to be mindfrakking actually affect her. I also don't think his dialogue in that episode is all that strong or sensical, which means Kara has to overreact to it a bit in order for them to make it emotional and get to that hand on the glass place which I detest. And it just feels manipulative.
And then of course, since they created this "big bond" in F&B, they kind of over-rely on that later. And you just know everytime Leoben shows up, it's BSG "breaking" Kara a bit more. Which sucks, because I love when we get to see her vulnerable side, but only when it's earned. When it's logically prompted by those she actually cares about (Bill, Lee, etc.) not some manipulative situation like this.
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Date: 2010-11-28 02:31 am (UTC)Where I do think it could have been more sinister is...if they cast a baby the right age to believably have been from Kara's ovary they took on NC. I'm not sure why they didn't do that. Although God knows they missed so many other logical connections they could've made in other plots/episodes too.
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Date: 2010-11-28 06:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-11-28 06:16 am (UTC)I think the reason I always dread Leoben's interaction with Kara is that it does overall feel very disingenuous to me and did ever since Flesh and Bone. It didn't make sense to me that Kara would let a cylon whose goal she knows to be mindfrakking actually affect her. I also don't think his dialogue in that episode is all that strong or sensical, which means Kara has to overreact to it a bit in order for them to make it emotional and get to that hand on the glass place which I detest. And it just feels manipulative.
And then of course, since they created this "big bond" in F&B, they kind of over-rely on that later. And you just know everytime Leoben shows up, it's BSG "breaking" Kara a bit more. Which sucks, because I love when we get to see her vulnerable side, but only when it's earned. When it's logically prompted by those she actually cares about (Bill, Lee, etc.) not some manipulative situation like this.